tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9560953.post112126946039171486..comments2023-12-31T19:34:14.853-05:00Comments on Dymaxion World: Liberals and Warjohnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09690430991814528863noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9560953.post-1121477088872602252005-07-15T21:24:00.000-04:002005-07-15T21:24:00.000-04:00Darfur is one of those situations...nobody know wh...Darfur is one of those situations...nobody know what the best solution is. If there is a solution per se. But there are things we can do. Baseline things to halt the worst of the brutalities. No-fly zones, economy sanctions, boots on the ground. Not painless, but a fraction of the pain we're going through for Iraq and Afgahnistan.<BR/><BR/>My sense of the government in Khartoum is that they really are cowardly. Always pushing the envelop over how much brutality they can get away with without the West noticing. Always careful to keep the scant pretense in place that they are somehow not responsible for the Janjaweed. Always cynically aware that it's Africa, and the west don't seem to care as much about dead Africans. <BR/><BR/>So far they've been right, bastards.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9560953.post-1121470850952687862005-07-15T19:40:00.000-04:002005-07-15T19:40:00.000-04:00Ouch. Yes, it would be nice if I could keep names...Ouch. Yes, it would be nice if I could keep names straight, especially when I could have consulted your website and figured that one out.<BR/><BR/>Apologies.<BR/><BR/>However, I think you misunderstood me. I don't think the leaders of Europe "misapplied" the lessons of WWI. They made a rational decision based on experience. Given what they had seen of war - and how little they had gained from it - "appeasement" was morally reprehensible, but coldly rational. Better them than us.<BR/><BR/>But let's abandon the litmus test - it's tiresome, as you say. You and I agree that something should be done in Darfur. But Canada's already in one war (Afghanistan) and doesn't have the resources to fight two at a time like our southern neighbours. And frankly, while there's no ambiguity about the crimes being comitted, there's a great deal of ambiguity about the possible solutions. What do we do? How much? Is it worth it?<BR/><BR/>Liberals may shy away from this kind of questions, when it's turned on us - but we shouldn't. In retrospect, we can say that the isolationists were wrong in the 1930s, and we can do so appealing to utilitarian arguments as well as moral ones. We should be able to do the same today.johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09690430991814528863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9560953.post-1121464627329649182005-07-15T17:57:00.000-04:002005-07-15T17:57:00.000-04:00Heh. I'm having more comebacks than Cher.By the wa...Heh. I'm having more comebacks than Cher.<BR/><BR/>By the way, it's Angelica here. Perhaps you're thinking of <A HREF="http://pandagon.net" REL="nofollow">this girl</A> when you say 'amanda'?<BR/><BR/>On to the substance of your post:<BR/><BR/>1) Yes. I too would like to think that the most liberal Americans would have been more solidly behind a war of altruism than the general population. <BR/><BR/>People need to understand that just because we reject the war in Iraq and Afgahnistan, it does not mean that liberals are always anti-war. <BR/><BR/>2) I would agree that the European leaders misapplied the lessons of WWI to mean that war is never worth it. It would be just as mistaken to take the lessons of WWII to mean that war is always worth it.<BR/><BR/>3) Yes. We have failed the test over and over again. Which is why I feel a little tired of people going back to WWII over and over again as the litimus test. It seems curiously to beat ourselves up over whether or not our generation would have failed the Jews when we're failing Darfur right now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com